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Feb 16th, 2010 @ 5:20am PST
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Hi Georg,

Glad to hear it's been an overwhelming success so far :)

It gets easier the more you do it ;-)

As for "Autopano Pro". It's not an app I'm familiar with... but if the icon has a question mark in the dock it means that it cannot be located. Check that you have the app in the Applications folder. Then drag the ? icon out of the dock and drag the Autopano Pro from the Applications folder in to the dock.

Should all work fine.

Best
Rounik

p.s. let me know when spring reaches you... we're normally about a day behind ;-)
Feb 16th, 2010 @ 6:28am PST
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:o) as for spring.... judging by the sudden appearance of a phletora of birds, literally over the weekend, since last friday.

Thanks Rounik.

Just thinking out loud, what made this upgrade difficult was only psychological. Why is that?

Fora on apple and other sources are full of people reporting tons of difficulties when installing SL. Who would not become somewhat suspicious?

My experience on two macs was straight forward. Thanks to good advise and common sense.

I would summarize a good strategy in 10 steps, I know it is basic and only personal experience, but may be it helps the one or other.. In particular order

1.
Clean out unnecessary files and check you system hard drive for health and repair permissions. I recommend Diskwarrior.

http://www.alsoft.com/Diskwarrior/index.html

Alternatively, just run repair permissions from disk utility.

2.
Before you continue preparing to install SL, it is a good idea to make some downloads first.

Check for new SL drivers, your sound card, printers, graphic tablet, application updates, whatever might be connected and installed, search for up to date Snow Leopard drivers.

Here is a useful link:

http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/

Also, download the latest Snowleopard combo Update available, currently as of mid February 2010, it is OSX 6.2

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosx_updates/macosxv1062updatecombo.html

3.
Now, with drivers and updates downloaded, perform a complete system clone (Super Duper, CCC) of your existing OSX.

4.
Do not believe the advertising. Make an acid test yourself, and try this clone you made first. Boot from the clone and see whether everything is the way it was in the original system.

5.
While you booted from your clone, use diskwarrior to rebuild and replace directory of your original internal HD that has OSX installed.

If you do not use Diskwarrior, skip that step.

6.
For peace of mind, have an identical second system clone on a second hard drive.

7.
Unplug all external devices except mous and keyboard first!

Use your SL Install disk and install SL.

Process should take round about 1- 1,5 hours.

8.
After everything went successful, use your latest SL combo update that you downloaded.

9.
There are security updates, Java updates, and others still available, it is safe enough to then use the Software Update from the apple menu.

10.
Re connect external devices again. Last not elast after everything has been installed, do not forget to switch on the firewall. It is off by default.

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Best wishes
Georg
Feb 16th, 2010 @ 8:54am PST
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Update:

I am now tackling the "Maczilla" and install SL on external 1 TB FW800.

I put in the SL disc, and used system preferences to choose the startup disc, choosing the SL DVD. Reboot.

First thing I did after the installer shows up was using disc utility from the menu and write 1 partition, I named it SLE, all my drives have three letters only, and under options chose GUID to the FW drive, on exiting disc utility, the installer asked on what drive I wish to install SL.

Nice, now comes a migration assistant, and I am trying this, and choose transfer from volume, in this case my SYS drive with OSX 5.8.

Will be interesting to see whether I can skip your suggestions for mail and safari and find all settings, history, mail etc already in place.

On my MBP, installing SL over 5.8 it worked a charme.

Man, after 25 years PC's, I only wonder, why did I not switch to Mac earlier. It is really slick and in my humble opinion so much more advanced and reliable than what I used to know from the PC world.

By now, I am officially a Microsoft free zone. LOL :o)
Feb 16th, 2010 @ 9:08am PST
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Ok, here is an observation which worries me to a degree.

On my Macbook Pro, using iStat Pro (4.92), it appears as if the CPU temperatures are higher than before.

It quickly runs up to 60 degrees celsius now, before it was around 45 with the same applications active.

Any thoughts?

If memoery serves, there was something about resetting PRAM, cuasing the logic board controllers to be resetted.

Do you think I should try that?
Feb 16th, 2010 @ 11:29am PST
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[quote:]Nice, now comes a migration assistant, and I am trying this, and choose transfer from volume, in this case my SYS drive with OSX 5.8.

Will be interesting to see whether I can skip your suggestions for mail and safari and find all settings, history, mail etc already in place.[/quote]

Yeppers, migration of mail, safari booksmarks etc. flawless!
Feb 16th, 2010 @ 12:08pm PST
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WOW this is pretty amazing.

After migrating applications an so on, my Logic projects reside on external Raid, I just started a fairly complex project, using multiple Kontakt 4, Omnisphere, Trilian, RMX, Ve Pro 32 and 64 bit servers, VSL, plenty of sends etc.

Logic just had to scan the AU again, that was all, project is playing as I type and at a glance it appears core distribution is better, and load on CPU less at the same time.

It is not scientific but I now how the bars in system performance looked when I played this project before. 1 Core was always pretty close to red, and only 1 more was utilised to a minimum, at the moment 4 cores are used in the 25 % ish region.

OSX rocks! :o)
Feb 17th, 2010 @ 2:04am PST
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Hey Georg,

Thanks for updating this thread! I feel like I'm looking over your shoulder & sharing the excitement.

Logic 9.1 and Snow leopard... so far for me a great combination! Can't wait to see what the future holds... It's definitely bright :)

As for your increased temperature... not quite sure what to suggest. I had noticed a subtle increase too, but it hasn't affected me in any adverse ways.

Cheers
Rounik
Feb 17th, 2010 @ 4:32am PST
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Hey Rounik,

Winter is back with a vengeance, ice on the roads here.

The temperature raise appears to happen only on the MBP not the MacPro.

Believe me, I wish you could have had a glass of burgundy and looked over my shoulder in realtime, and hey, big thanks for looking at this stuff here, it sure was helpful to run it by someone who has much more mac experience! For now I did not make a clean install of the SL evaluation on my MCP, I migrated my settings and applications so I can test what works and what does not.

But as soon as my main instruments are full 64 bit, I will change that. Omnisphere and Trilian are around the corner, leaves only Kontakt, Kore 2 and Komplete 6, but talking to the chaps at NI in Berin, this might take a while, unfortunately.

Having said that the NI Kontakt "memory hack" does a good job running memory server.

Let's talk 64bit for a second if you don't mind.

What puzzles me is this; I boot into Sl per default using 32 bit. However, 64 bit applications will show as 64 bit in activity monitor, such as finder etc. etc., but not only that, also true 64 bit applications such as Adobe Lightroom will show as 64 bit.

But what does that mean?

Will these 64bit applications have the larger memory adress room available, although I booted into the 32 bit kernel?

I assume they won't, because I am still in a limited 32bit kernel, would that be right? Hence I would need to boot into the 64bit kernel to take full advantage of 64 bit applications.

But why will Lightroom show as a 64bit application and Logic 9.1 will not?

Best wishes from Banana Republic ;o)
Georg




Feb 17th, 2010 @ 9:21am PST
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Hi Georg

Well, I count myself lucky to be enjoying only rain today then!

SL can boot up in 32 bit mode or 64 bit mode. However, the majority of built-in OSX apps are now in 64-bit and can still be run when SL is booted in 32-bit mode and take advantage of the memory improvements.

Basically, as far as I know, booting up SL in 64-bit will improve performance but you may run into issues if using 32-bit drivers. So, for some applications, until the 64-bit transition is somewhat complete it may be better to boot-up SL into 32-bit mode. Logic 9.1 can be run in 64-bit mode when SL is using the 32-bit kernel.

You need to 'Get Info' on the Logic.app file in the Applications folder and choose to run it in 64-bit mode.

I remember an article from last year that explained 32-bit/64-bit boot up much more eloquently than I have... bear with me while I look for it...

here you go:
http://macperformanceguide.com/SnowLeopard-64bit.html
as an added bonus the article focuses on digital photography :)

Cheers
Rounik
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