The tutorials all make learning logic certainly worth the price of being here, that's for sure! One of the interesting things in the tutorials is the things that are implied beyond what is shown, about what;s possible. In the Hyper Editor...it seems the possibilities are there for something beyond the obvious, which in itself is enough as it is. But I'm wondering...how much does the new changes in LOGIC 8's ULTRABEAT make some of the uses for hyper editor using drum maps...more or less redundant? I mean...isn't the new additons in Ultrabeats sequenvcer ability to see the sequences very much like the hyper editor almost covering the same functions? what is the primary difference between the two that I should give priority? recently I recorded a very old drum that came from New guinea that a freind got from his grandfather - the sound is terriffic. I want to build my onw ZULUS-From-Hell 808 drum set...beginning from WAVE files...Kontack sampler can do it...but isn't there a way to get these files converted to files that can be read, imported, programmed, sequenced, into Ultrabest and the ESX24 and finally played like other files? and secondly...would I be better off to build my own instrument sets in the Hyper Editor using the drum map as shown in the tutorial?...do i builkd them first as Apple Loops? but then...How can I convert them to make them acceptable to the ESX24 sampler and to Ultrabeat? Thanks again! OdessaFlyer jake Bell

Hey Jake! My advice would be to play with all you've mentioned and find the one's that work best for you. In my brief experience there are many Logic users that create and process within Logic in different ways, much like there are many humans that think and act in different ways. Find a workflow that works for you! I've only scratched the surface of what the Hyper Editor can do, but I agree it's potential appears huge! Ultrabeat is still quite different because you cannot record into it's sequencer or automate all it's general parameters from within the plug-in, whereas the Hyper editor can be programmed and when you record your MIDI sequence into Logic it appears! You can also use both in combination. It's all a matter of preference :-) You don't have to convert into apple loops first to be able to use them in the EXS24 - see my reply to your previous post. Enjoy! Rounik

Hi Jake, if I understood your post correctly, you want to sample your favoured drum machine.. thing.. and was wondering how to do it. Well, you can read up on how to build your own instruments and basically I would use the EXS Sampler rather than Ultrabeat for this, as Rounik mentioned. But one thing you could look at getting is a product called Autosampler by redmatica. Takes the pain out of sampling instruments and it really does bring the power of the EXS24 up to date. http://www.redmatica.com/Redmatica/AutoSampler.html

hi YADJ Thanks for the tip on the autosampler ! I like to sampler older machines yes but also - sounds using a HI MD recorder so many sounds are coming from out in the "field" Do myou also use the other software the redmatica offers? Thanks! OdessaFlyer Jake

Hi Rounik! Yes I agree with all you've said here. There is also the piano roll editor which is inter-changeable I would guess... I wonder how much the step editor becomes a key tool here...because it seems like regions, looping, can also accomplish some of the same tasks, just doing it a different way... I'm looking for the best ways to compose the progression of the song. I am hearing many modern songs played everywhere but there are certain ones that are doing things in ways that I personally like - and keeping a live feeling to it is essential. thanks Jake

Hi Jake, to answer your question, I don't use any of the Redmatica stuff but I know a few who do and they rate them quite highly. The AutoSampler in particular has had favourable reviews but it would depend on how you use your samplers as to whether they are worth it or not.. Ultrabeat is a cool drum package and I don't think there is one optimum set way of working with it. The latest version is really good with it's sequencer matrix for programming but when you are working with a set grid like that, you are kind of limited. Again, it depends on what you are using it for. However, that said and like you have already eluded too, combine that with hyper editor or even the standard piano roll and your editing capability goes through the roof. Combine that again with multi channel outputs both internal and external and you can craft whatever rounds you like. There are always work arounds if one process falls short along the way... Regarding song progression, you could program up different variants of internal ultrabeat sequences on different banks and program the bank changes, or do it all in piano roll and/ or hyper editor ... or write it all by event parameters if you're that way inclined! Music and it's making is nothing but a mathematical algorithm.. discuss! Some of your transitions can be aided by multichannel processing such as delays or reverbs.. again, depends on what type of music you are doing and whether or not it is a rigid machine like beat or has random variations.